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EBassie - 17:20 (28-06-2015)
PS: technically your VIP slot has expired. Haven't removed it yet though :P
PS: technically your VIP slot has expired. Haven't removed it yet though :P
EBassie - 17:18 (28-06-2015)
BTW: scramble will happen when ticketdifference is > 600 (if I'm correct. Can't check now)
BTW: scramble will happen when ticketdifference is > 600 (if I'm correct. Can't check now)
Rom - 17:12 (28-06-2015)
I do appreciate all you do. I know running servers isnt easy. I used to just admin some, and that was a head ache.
Its very easy for me to moan. I will stop it. I didnt really think about how it was for you. With me just moaning all the time about it.
I do appreciate all you do. I know running servers isnt easy. I used to just admin some, and that was a head ache.
Its very easy for me to moan. I will stop it. I didnt really think about how it was for you. With me just moaning all the time about it.
Rom - 17:09 (28-06-2015)
Ok mate.
One thing i did just think off, whats the scramble ticket threshold ?
As sometimes i think they may actually unbalance the teams.
To me, i would think 500 tickets is pretty close in this mode.
But i thnk its more like 200 ? So sometimes, it 'seems' (i dont know the exact details like you do) that a game that ends say 400 tickets apart, will get scrambled, and those reasonably even teams, can get mixed up, and next round is more one side.
Again, i know i moan :) I just always play to win, and its frustrating when my team is losing, im trying my hardest, and then it will take players who are actually ptfo, and give them to other team.
<3
Ok mate.
One thing i did just think off, whats the scramble ticket threshold ?
As sometimes i think they may actually unbalance the teams.
To me, i would think 500 tickets is pretty close in this mode.
But i thnk its more like 200 ? So sometimes, it 'seems' (i dont know the exact details like you do) that a game that ends say 400 tickets apart, will get scrambled, and those reasonably even teams, can get mixed up, and next round is more one side.
Again, i know i moan :) I just always play to win, and its frustrating when my team is losing, im trying my hardest, and then it will take players who are actually ptfo, and give them to other team.
<3
EBassie - 17:08 (28-06-2015)
Not offended, just annoyed. Since you moan about the balancer since we started doing Chain Link. I've tried to please you ever since but it's never good enough.
The default balancing (to get an even amount) does NOT take top players (40% of the top). It tries to balances last joiners first.
But then the balancer does also try to balance the ranks (rank > 100), However, it was not taking into account this top 40% as exclusions. This could incidently give a good player to the already winning side. I just did change that. That's the only thing we can really change.
So this now is really the last thing I will see about it ;)
Not offended, just annoyed. Since you moan about the balancer since we started doing Chain Link. I've tried to please you ever since but it's never good enough.
The default balancing (to get an even amount) does NOT take top players (40% of the top). It tries to balances last joiners first.
But then the balancer does also try to balance the ranks (rank > 100), However, it was not taking into account this top 40% as exclusions. This could incidently give a good player to the already winning side. I just did change that. That's the only thing we can really change.
So this now is really the last thing I will see about it ;)
Rom - 16:59 (28-06-2015)
Not trying to offend you Bassie, but i donate, and i play it a lot.
I know how the balancer plays out. It may be great on paper. But it doesnt always play out like that.
Ive suggested, could it not be scripted, to swap lower rank (according to the balancer) players when the team is losing ?
I understand how it works. It blindly swaps players to balance numbers. Iirc, you told me it takes good players, not randoms.
So if a team is losing badly, lets say 1k points. Im merely saying, taking good players from that team, is haveing a negative effect.
You have made ur point. Ill shut up about it.
Not trying to offend you Bassie, but i donate, and i play it a lot.
I know how the balancer plays out. It may be great on paper. But it doesnt always play out like that.
Ive suggested, could it not be scripted, to swap lower rank (according to the balancer) players when the team is losing ?
I understand how it works. It blindly swaps players to balance numbers. Iirc, you told me it takes good players, not randoms.
So if a team is losing badly, lets say 1k points. Im merely saying, taking good players from that team, is haveing a negative effect.
You have made ur point. Ill shut up about it.
EBassie - 16:39 (28-06-2015)
@rom: yes, this is how it's going to be. Maybe you don't understand the logic, but the logic is there. What you described here was a losing side with more players. The balancer ALWAYS tries to keep an even amount of players on both sides. Nothing we can do about.
There is always whining about balance. If it's not whining about the ticket difference, then it's whining about too hight rank difference. If it's neither of those than it's just whining about too many campers on one side.
We can't please everybody... We do the best we can... I hope the CTE balancer will come to vanilla soon, maybe it will help a bit.
Having said that: you are most vocal about the balancer and frankly I'm getting pretty tired about it.
If you think you can do better, may I suggest you can run your own server?
@rom: yes, this is how it's going to be. Maybe you don't understand the logic, but the logic is there. What you described here was a losing side with more players. The balancer ALWAYS tries to keep an even amount of players on both sides. Nothing we can do about.
There is always whining about balance. If it's not whining about the ticket difference, then it's whining about too hight rank difference. If it's neither of those than it's just whining about too many campers on one side.
We can't please everybody... We do the best we can... I hope the CTE balancer will come to vanilla soon, maybe it will help a bit.
Having said that: you are most vocal about the balancer and frankly I'm getting pretty tired about it.
If you think you can do better, may I suggest you can run your own server?
Rom - 11:33 (28-06-2015)
And by close, i mean close enough for scrambler to not kick in. I know i moan, but i play this server a lot, its all i play.
And by close, i mean close enough for scrambler to not kick in. I know i moan, but i play this server a lot, its all i play.
Rom - 11:26 (28-06-2015)
It needs to take into account tickets before it balances.
If a team is losing badly, it cant take thier better players just because they have 1 extra player. All that does is make them lose even more.
Losing is fine when its a good game. I lost 6 in a row. But when you are losing, and the balancer just keeps takign players. There is little else to blame, but the balancer.
No amount of PTFO can make up for good players being moved from losing team, to the winning team, just so the number match.
It needs to take into account tickets before it balances.
If a team is losing badly, it cant take thier better players just because they have 1 extra player. All that does is make them lose even more.
Losing is fine when its a good game. I lost 6 in a row. But when you are losing, and the balancer just keeps takign players. There is little else to blame, but the balancer.
No amount of PTFO can make up for good players being moved from losing team, to the winning team, just so the number match.
Rom - 11:19 (28-06-2015)
morning. So the balancer on chainlink server, is that how its gonna stay now ?
It has no logic behind it. We just had a close game..next round, it decides to balancer 3 of our top players to other team. We are now losing by 1k tickets.
Why is it so dumb ? Its by far the worst thing about the server.
There is literally no point in playing some games. The message says ptfo..then it takes some of the top ptfo players from you. So you have even less chance than you did.
Most games i play are not close on this server. Many people complain in chat about it. Clearly it needs tweaking.
Can it please be looked at.
morning. So the balancer on chainlink server, is that how its gonna stay now ?
It has no logic behind it. We just had a close game..next round, it decides to balancer 3 of our top players to other team. We are now losing by 1k tickets.
Why is it so dumb ? Its by far the worst thing about the server.
There is literally no point in playing some games. The message says ptfo..then it takes some of the top ptfo players from you. So you have even less chance than you did.
Most games i play are not close on this server. Many people complain in chat about it. Clearly it needs tweaking.
Can it please be looked at.
VakuumKnecht - 16:31 (18-06-2015)
Happy Birthday LOKI!!!! and Thanks for all the Happy Birthdays I received from all of you :=)
Happy Birthday LOKI!!!! and Thanks for all the Happy Birthdays I received from all of you :=)
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